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The Gun Control debate thread


If the Dems want to deal aggressively with gun violence wouldn't they focus on the areas where the most gun violence occurs? Will they flood those areas with cops possibly to use force and disarm the community of any illegal guns? What happens when the almighty race card is flung at them which could possibly jeopardize a voting demographic? Will they show strength and conviction or backpedal and apologize?
 

tvstrip

I changed my middle-name to Freeones
Studies have shown that the body count of active shooters is greatly reduced when someone with a concealed weapon stands up to them.
Legit question: in the last decade or so of mass shootings, how often has this happened? IIRC it's usually the police who shoots them. The rare times a civvy takes them down they're not armed with a firearm.
 

Bloodshot Scott

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
The frustrating part is people that know nothing about guns go spouting off.


On my local sports radio the other day the guys said "of course assault weapons" should be banned. I mean, WTF? Dude, an "assault rifle" is nothing more than a RIFLE. So what you are saying is RIFLES SHOULD BE BANNED. Fucking bollocks.


moreover, if these dickbags actually thought about the issue or looked at the facts, they would see handguns are BY FAR the greatest implemented in gun-used homicides.


If a person REALLY wanted to off a fuckton of people, they would purchase two .9mm, a dozen or so 33 rd magazines, a shotgun and literally off more people than could imagine.


But the left just lies and lies and lies...or are just too damn stupid to realize what is going on here.


Cho killed the second (or third) most on record at VA Tech, and one of the weapons he used was the smallest caliber .22.
 

Johan

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
The frustrating part is people that know nothing about guns go spouting off.


On my local sports radio the other day the guys said "of course assault weapons" should be banned. I mean, WTF? Dude, an "assault rifle" is nothing more than a RIFLE. So what you are saying is RIFLES SHOULD BE BANNED. Fucking bollocks.


moreover, if these dickbags actually thought about the issue or looked at the facts, they would see handguns are BY FAR the greatest implemented in gun-used homicides.


If a person REALLY wanted to off a fuckton of people, they would purchase two .9mm, a dozen or so 33 rd magazines, a shotgun and literally off more people than could imagine.


But the left just lies and lies and lies...or are just too damn stupid to realize what is going on here.


Cho killed the second (or third) most on record at VA Tech, and one of the weapons he used was the smallest caliber .22.


2017 Vegas shooting : 59 killed, 422 injured (by gunfire + about 400 injured in the panick but let's focus on gunfire injuries)
Weapon used : AR-15

Orlando shooting : 50 killed, 56 injured
Weapon used : Sig Sauer MCX

Virginia Tech Shooting
: 32 killed, 17 injured by gunfire
Weapon used : Glock 19, Walther P22

Sandy Hook shooting : 28 killed, 2 injured
Weapon used : Bushmaster XM-15

Sutherland Springs church shooting : 27 killed, 20 injured
Weapon used : Ruger AR-556

These are the 5 deadliest mass shooting in ameican history. 4 were perpetrated using assault-rifles.


You're right about one thing : Most of us, gun-control advocates, don't know much about guns. So I trust you when you say that two .9mm and a shogun would be more efficient than an assault-rifle. But that's not what this is about : This is not about what kind of weapon is more deadly, it's about what kind of weapon is used by those who do mass shootings. And in most cases, they go with assault-rifles. They fantasize about that kind of weapons, they've seen al thosse action movies where every one has on of these and they picture themselves as of these guys, shooting dozens of bad guys in a row.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Legit question: in the last decade or so of mass shootings, how often has this happened? IIRC it's usually the police who shoots them. The rare times a civvy takes them down they're not armed with a firearm.

The CDC wrongly or rightly has compiled lists of active shootings in the US. What they haven't done is compiled lists of crimes prevented by the judicious use of a firearm. Estimates are that between 500,000 and 3,000,0000 crimes a year are prevented by the mere presence of a firearm wielded by a law abiding gun owner.
 

Bloodshot Scott

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
2017 Vegas shooting : 59 killed, 422 injured (by gunfire + about 400 injured in the panick but let's focus on gunfire injuries)
Weapon used : AR-15

Orlando shooting : 50 killed, 56 injured
Weapon used : Sig Sauer MCX

Virginia Tech Shooting
: 32 killed, 17 injured by gunfire
Weapon used : Glock 19, Walther P22

Sandy Hook shooting : 28 killed, 2 injured
Weapon used : Bushmaster XM-15

Sutherland Springs church shooting : 27 killed, 20 injured
Weapon used : Ruger AR-556

These are the 5 deadliest mass shooting in ameican history. 4 were perpetrated using assault-rifles.


You're right about one thing : Most of us, gun-control advocates, don't know much about guns. So I trust you when you say that two .9mm and a shogun would be more efficient than an assault-rifle. But that's not what this is about : This is not about what kind of weapon is more deadly, it's about what kind of weapon is used by those who do mass shootings. And in most cases, they go with assault-rifles. They fantasize about that kind of weapons, they've seen al thosse action movies where every one has on of these and they picture themselves as of these guys, shooting dozens of bad guys in a row.



Most homicides w gun in America a rifle is not used. Moreover, these "mass shhootings" are overly glorified by Fake News. I could give you links but I'm "typing" on my phone right now and don't want to duck with it right now.

Bottom line i: even if you ban these so-called "assault weapons" the overall murder rate will not be noticeably be improved.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member

zeeblofowl_1969

I don't know and frankly I don't care.
The gun control debate is a fraud and always will be a fraud.
You can not punish the good people because you fear the bad people.
Stupid.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Most homicides w gun in America a rifle is not used. Moreover, these "mass shhootings" are overly glorified by Fake News. I could give you links but I'm "typing" on my phone right now and don't want to duck with it right now.

Bottom line: even if you ban these so-called "assault weapons" the overall murder rate will not be noticeably be improved.

Very true. I'm very sorry for the people who've died in mass shootings. But they're no more dead than the people who've died in every day shootings with handguns (shotguns or single shot rifles), stabbings, beatings or whatever. No, the needle would hardly move on the firearms murder rate. For one, a ban is nothing more than more words on more pieces of paper. It's not like all "assault weapons" would magically disappear from the streets or even homes. And for another, they're just not used in that many (statistically speaking) murders. At best, it would just cut down on the big headline shootings that the PC Pavlov's dogs in the media (and their elitist, bodyguard protected masters) love to hype. What's happening on the mean streets of Chicago, L.A., D.C. and Gary, Indiana wouldn't be affected. But people like Soros, Bloomberg and their minions don't really care about "those people" anyway. They're the expendable lower class, only good for their loyal votes and as cheap labor. They don't care if they have good jobs or good schools, so why would they care if they keep getting shot down by crazed gang-bangers and cartel soldiers? They don't.

You (I'm sure) know that that much "heralded" Assault Weapons Ban from the 90s, that Ninny Pelosi and the other elitists like to claim was so successful, was just a gun appearance ban for the most part. The sporterized/"hunter package" AK style weapons, that remained legal after that ban, were mechanically EXACTLY the same as those scary looking, uber dangerous AKs that had bayonet lugs, pistol grips and threaded muzzles. To their credit, not one person was killed by a bayonet fixed onto an AK or SKS after that ban was enacted. Problem is, not one person was killed by a bayonet fixed onto an AK or SKS before the ban either. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. :facepalm: I know absolutely nothing about golf. So the PGA would be stupid to hire someone like me to rewrite the rules for The Masters. And by the same token, having complete firearms dumbasses like Fancy Nancy and Babs Feinstein rewriting firearms legislation was bound to produce a massive superficial-only fuckup... and that's what it did.


If the Dems want to deal aggressively with gun violence wouldn't they focus on the areas where the most gun violence occurs?

Well, you would think. :dunno:

Will they flood those areas with cops possibly to use force and disarm the community of any illegal guns?

Well, to be honest, the Gestapo style of the cops has helped to make them untrustworthy in these areas. But still, the gangs in these areas are the real problem. But for political reasons, there's no real desire to REALLY go after them for the domestic terrorists that they are. What if the Crips, Bloods and MS-13 were hounded the way the Italian mafia was in the late 70s and 80s? What if the Israeli/Russian mafia and the Mexican cartels were hounded by seizing their foreign accounts the way we've gone after Iran, Hezbollah and the PLO? Why did Eric Holder and Obama let Bank of America off the hook after they knowingly financed a plane full of coke? Why hasn't Obama gotten involved in the fight against street violence in his hometown of Chicago? Eh, it's all a bunch of bullshit, man. Play that song "We Care A Lot" while you're watching the nightly news with these yammering pussies pretending to give a shit.

What happens when the almighty race card is flung at them which could possibly jeopardize a voting demographic?

Like I said, clean cops covering for dirty cops in those neighborhoods doesn't help that cause at all. If I lived there, I wouldn't trust the cops either. If you're a decent person living in those neighborhoods, your only real hope is to get away from the 'hood rats and the gangsta cops by moving. But yeah, since these street gangs (and especially the foreign cartels) do pay protection to their political allies/protectors, the police seem to just do some "dope on the table" shows for the 6 o'clock talking heads on TV every now & again. Past that... nah. It's just a reality TV show.

Will they show strength and conviction or backpedal and apologize?

You know the answer. Watch how the cops in Portland handled Antifa recently. The Po-po Chief sets the tone for the rank & file cops. And the Mayor and City Council sets the tone for the Chief.



The gun control debate is a fraud and always will be a fraud.
You can not punish the good people because you fear the bad people.
Stupid.

Exactly. :hatsoff: And if people are afraid to admit that bad people are bad (for whatever reason) and that ilk is the true problem, then we're really just pissing in the wind, right?
 

Johan

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
FBI's Latest Report Reveals Dem-Hated AR-15s Used in Less Than 3% of All Gun Homicides
https://www.westernjournal.com/fbis...ff_campaign=pushtraffic&ff_content=2019-09-29

Johan is wrong as usual

Did I said AR-15 were involved in a majority of gun homicides ? No

I said assault-rifles were the favorite weapons of the nutjobs doing mass murders.

zeeblofowl_1969 said:
The gun control debate is a fraud and always will be a fraud.
You can not punish the good people because you fear the bad people.
Isn't that what traffic code is all about, putting limitations, banning some things so that "bad people", as you call them, wouldn't create havoc on the road and cause the death of innocent people ?
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Did I said AR-15 were involved in a majority of gun homicides ? No

I said assault-rifles were the favorite weapons of the nutjobs doing mass murders.

Isn't that what traffic code is all about, putting limitations, banning some things so that "bad people", as you call them, wouldn't create havoc on the road and cause the death of innocent people ?

You're wrong. Again. About the AR15. In most mass shootings a pistol is the preferred weapon of choice.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

https://www.bettergov.org/news/fact-check-are-handguns-used-to-commit-nearly-all-murders/
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
The gun control debate is a fraud and always will be a fraud.
You can not punish the good people because you fear the bad people.
Stupid.

Isn't that what traffic code is all about, putting limitations, banning some things so that "bad people", as you call them, wouldn't create havoc on the road and cause the death of innocent people ?

No. No, it's not. I don't mean to speak for Zee. And I don't know what things are like in France. But here, we blame and then ban bad drivers (the bad people), not the cars - no different than a firearm in this respect, it's just an inanimate object. Years ago I read an article about how Ford Mustangs were involved in a disproportionately high percentage of high speed crashes and received a disproportionately high number of reckless driving citations. That was probably eight or nine years ago. Well, the Ford Mustangs produced today are even faster and have even more stock horsepower than the ones produced back then.

Yeah, so all that to say, when we see street racing fatalities, high speed crashes or drunk driving occurrences, we don't blame the crazy fast car (unless there is a safety related defect). We blame the person and their bad behavior. And if you're convicted of drunk driving or have your license taken because of too many points, once you get the license back, we don't prohibit those people from buying/driving a Corvette, a Mustang or a WRX. They can buy a quad turbo Bugatti if they've got the cash. They might have trouble securing affordable insurance, but the courts won't be involved in that.

Dude, I get it. You're from a society and/or culture where firearms aren't common and aren't really part of your recent history or present culture the way they are here. This doesn't make any sense to you. You don't get why we're so gun nutty here (some of us). And that's fine. But until you wrap your head around the hard fact that a large number of Americans are the way we are, you're going to continue scratching your head about this. As part of my job, I had to learn how to put myself in the heads of people I didn't agree with in order to better understand where they were coming from - and that's not easy. But with that, we were often able to find real (not just touchy, feel good, superficial and ineffective) solutions to problems that needed to be solved. But thinking that you can impose your will on people (because there are other populations where that works), will likely lead to a not so pleasant backlash here. Just sayin'. Take it for what you will... and pass that long to the folks at Handgun Control, Inc., or whatever they're calling themselves these days. :hatsoff:
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
I agree that more gun laws won't accomplish anything. I also acknowledge that there's a problem and something needs to be done. Any suggestions from the, "conservatives"?
 

Johan

I'm too lazy to set a usertitle.
Any suggestions from the, "conservatives"?

The only solution the conservatives have for gun violence is "more guns". I'm pretty sure most of them, who pretend they support capitalism and oppose socialism, would support a bill that would make the US government to make gun-ownership mandatory provide a free gun to every US citizen.
At least that would gather more support from conservatives than Medicare for All
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
I agree that more gun laws won't accomplish anything. I also acknowledge that there's a problem and something needs to be done. Any suggestions from the, "conservatives"?

Las Vegas has a school police department that patrols and protects students in every public school. The diocese of Las Vegas has mandated that all parochial schools have competent, trained, armed security.

My thoughts on the matter are to hire highly trained combat veterans to do the job because most teachers are squeamish pussies who are afraid of inanimate objects like firearms. Mandatory psychological screening for all candidates and clear warning signs that state deadly force will be utilized to protect students.

My company has a couple bids for some technical schools in the area and I would love to hire nothing but veterans because of the huge tax breaks associated with that.

I would also encourage compulsory firearms education for every grade school child as well as every new gun buyer. When I was a child in Iowa nearly every public middle school had a firearms safety class as part of the curriculum, which was usually taught in PE.

I don't know how that would fly with PC, leftist, bisexual, tree hugging cock smokers. But it would give some people the idea about how dangerous firearms are and how to respect the sanctity of human life.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Las Vegas has a school police department that patrols and protects students in every public school. The diocese of Las Vegas has mandated that all parochial schools have competent, trained, armed security.

My thoughts on the matter are to hire highly trained combat veterans to do the job because most teachers are squeamish pussies who are afraid of inanimate objects like firearms. Mandatory psychological screening for all candidates and clear warning signs that state deadly force will be utilized to protect students.

My company has a couple bids for some technical schools in the area and I would love to hire nothing but veterans because of the huge tax breaks associated with that.

I would also encourage compulsory firearms education for every grade school child as well as every new gun buyer. When I was a child in Iowa nearly every public middle school had a firearms safety class as part of the curriculum, which was usually taught in PE.

I don't know how that would fly with PC, leftist, bisexual, tree hugging cock smokers. But it would give some people the idea about how dangerous firearms are and how to respect the sanctity of human life.


Is the Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program even allowed in most public schools these days? Maybe in the south, but I doubt in a lot of other places, like on the left coast. But I don't know for sure. Any idea?

I don't disagree with those who say that gun violence is a problem in the U.S. I mean, the facts are the facts. But here's the delicate question that people on the left tend to dance around. Why is it that some people don't think twice before taking someone else's life and some other people would only use a firearm if there was no other option? IMO, reaching children at an early age and teaching them to value human life, teaching them that there are other ways to settle disagreements than using deadly force is the preferred path. You can write all the laws you want. But I don't think that you'll make a dent in gun violence, or violence in general, until you find ways to get in peoples' heads about not wanting to kill. It's so much easier just to slap some more kind (but empty) words on paper and then say, "there, problem solved."

If I had a kid, I'd rather that his school participate in the Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program than having a transvestite or drag queen talk about his/her life experiences during a mandatory school assembly. Even though I would have already taught my kid about gun safety, that program *might* teach his classmates those same lessons... and that would keep my kid safer. Parents could opt in or opt out. But at least the option would be there. You've got to reach the human mind somehow. And in the mean time, I guess schools will have to be locked down safe zones. :dunno:
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Americans Send Resounding Rebuke to Gun-Grabbing Democrats in Virginia
https://www.westernjournal.com/amer...m_content=2019-12-23&utm_campaign=pushtraffic


Georges,

It all started with this clown:
Ralph_Northam_yearbook_page_with_Klan_robe_and_blackface.jpg

Governor Ralph "Making the KKK Kewl Since 1984" Northam (D)


Which led to this:
Second Amendment sanctuaries in Virginia:
As of Dec. 19, 2019, ninety-four cities and counties across Virginia have approved some type of Second Amendment sanctuary resolution

What's kind of funny (at least ironic) to me is that Governor Ralphie and his bunch have modeled more than a few of their gun laws on what California has. And (the funny part), the Second Amendment sanctuaries have modeled their opposition to those proposals based on California's sanctuary city resolutions relating to illegal immigrants. When they held the vote for a sanctuary county in my locality, the massive crowd began chanting, "Good for the goose, good for the gander! Good for the goose, good for the gander!"


And then airhead Rep. Donald McEachin (D) from eastern VA decided to say this:
Virginia State Representative Suggests National Guard Be Called to Force Enforcement of New Gun Legislation


And that bunch of nonsense led to this:
Massive Militia/2nd Amendment Rally To Take Place At Virginia Capitol On January 20th

Just based on things that little birdies are saying, rank & file VA State Police officers will (by and large) stand with the local sheriffs who are not going to enforce new laws that seem to violate the Second Amendment. Veteran State Police officers are able to live in the counties/areas where they're originally from. Rookies are usually sent to areas away from where they grew up. And this is apparently why Donald McEachin said what he said about the governor calling in the VA National Guard - the old vets aren't going to shit where they live. But one thing Donnie Mc has forgotten (or is too dumb to know about) is that when the State Police were called in to put down striking coalminers years ago in far SW Virginia, more than a few of the troopers made peace (on the down low/QT) with the miners - and I believe these kids in the National Guard would do the same if words turned to bullets. Nobody wants to die to enforce the beliefs of some elitist politicians - especially not some closet racist, piece of shit, like Ralph Northam.
 
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